The Phoenix

Thursday, November 17, 2005

"Thank You For Not Breeding!"

"May we live long and die out."
"Thank you for not breeding."

Who on earth would be putting these two ridiculous messages on bumper stickers and T-shirts? If you can believe it, there is a group based in San Francisco that is calling for the extinction of the human race. Yeah, you read that right. They want all of us - including themselves - to be extinct for the good of the Earth.

VHEMT (pronounced vehement) - Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. I'm still trying to figure out what the hell the "T" stands for in VHEMT. I think they just stuck it on their so they can go around saying "vehement." Of course, they still need an "N" in front of the "T." It seems these morons can't spell.

Here's their argument in a nutshell: We humans consume and therefore ravage the Earth. We destroy the ecosystem and cause thousands upon thousands of other animal species to become extinct through our consumption and pollution. This movement is calling for the long range extinction of the human race in order to save the earth. When you look at the staggering statistics concerning human beings, they make a compelling argument...

*16,000 humans are born every hour on the world
*Each human creates 22 million pounds of liquid waste and 2.2 million pounds of solid waste (you can thank all the pro-fiber people for that one)
*Each human will consume 4,000 barrels of oil, 1.5 million pounds of minerals (which easily converts to more solid waste), and 62,000 pounds of animal products
*40,000 children died each day of malnutrition
(all stats from www.vhemt.org)

So VHEM(T) believes we need to stop breeding, get old, and all just die. And that will save the Earth.

BRILLIANT!


Les Knight, founder of VHEM(t) had a vasectomy back in the 1970s when he was 25. He says,"We can't be breeding right now. It's obvious that the intentional creation of another [human being] by anyone anywhere can't be justified today" (SF Chronicle, 11/16/05).

On their website, they have several justifications for their views coming from all different perspectives: the economic impact, overpopulation issues, morality and religious issues, and environmental perspectives. They one day hope for: "Gaia completely cured of pox humans. Without us meddlesome humans, all other species would get their fair chance at survival."

I don't know about that, Les. I think cockroaches LOVE all the stuff we leave for them...as do mice, rats, and other species that eat our scraps.

Here are just a few of my personal observations:

1)What the hell is the "T" for in VHEMT? Come 'on Les...tell me. It's really bothering me. Does it mean "team?" Maybe "terror" or "troopers."

2)What good is a perfect Gaia without any humans? It just sounds pretty idiotic to me. You want us to be ecocentric? Forgo the human race to save Earth? Isn't that like falling in love with your car?

3)The biological urge to have children is our innermost base desire, removed from our conscious mind at times. Even two VHEM(T) members shed their movement's beliefs for their own needs. Mike and Mary Brune (Mike is the director the Rainforest Action Network and Mary is founder of Making Our Milk Safe) went against their own movement's manifesto and had a child after 7 years of marriage. Mike+Mary = Olivia, 15 months old now. How you like that Les?

4)They're against our species' survival! That goes against every fiber in every human being's body. Survival is perhaps our strongest ingrained instinct. If I had a gun and started shooting it at Les, he's going to duck...he's going to run and try to take cover. Why? Because he doesn't want to die. It's a survival instinct that takes over. We can't just turn off that instinct to survive as an individual, as a family, as a community, and as a race of beings.

5)The human race will go on. Yes, we alone stand as the only creatures on earth that is capable of exerting some limited control on the environment. With technology, we have the power to preserve, the power to heal, and the power to replenish. Biotechnology holds vast potential to feed the world. We will no doubt develop interstellar travel in the next 200 years. The human race will continue to grow and evolve, not become extinct as your movement so desires.

6)Mother Earth can take care of herself, thank you very much. Ever heard of a tsunami? How about an earthquake? Read about the bird flu lately? Gaia has her own population control, as Mother Nature has her own ways to balance things out. She doesn't really need your help in this manner. I think she can handle this on her own.

7)The Earth is better of without humans? Um, no. The Earth would be better off without any more semi-celebrity reality shows, that's for sure.

I wonder if there's a growing "movement" out there to perhaps help expedite the extinction of the human race. Oh, wait, there is. Philip Morris makes cancer sticks, which have killed millions. Maybe VHEMT and Philip Morris should work together to create a perfect Mother Earth through human extinction.

41 Comments:

Blogger Kay said...

Ok, so there are some people who really shouldn't have children (and not just in a snobby, how-many-more-hoosiers-can-they-fit-into-that-trailer sort of way). But everyone? Oh well, it's not like he's going to pass those values onto his children...

11/17/2005 3:08 PM  
Blogger Andrew said...

Ah yes, the earth goddess worshippers want eveybody else to die (but they're seemingly not prepared to euthenaise themselves for the cause).

Gaia, known as Earth or Mother Earth, was the primordial element from which all the gods originated and was worshiped throughout Greece until she went into decline and was supplanted by other gods. In Roman mythology she was known as Tellus or Terra. Thus, the evolutionists find wonderful allies in the Greenies ... it's all religion!

Check these parallels with the Christian history of the world, if you're not convinced:

1. Gaia was born from Chaos, the great void of emptiness within the universe, and with her came Eros. The earth was created ex nihlio by God and with it came mankind capable of reproduction.

2. Gaia gave birth to Pontus (the Sea) and Uranus (the Sky). This was achieved parthenogenetically (without male intervention). Christ was begotten as God's only Son, without male intervention.

3. Gaia took as her husband Uranus, who was also her son, and their offspring included the Titans, six sons and six daughters. The created order took mankind-which was created from her-in a spiritual union which has produced all kinds of twisted offspring.

The similarities go on and on. So much of the supposedly "enlightened and scientific" debate we hear today is nothing more than a resurgence of pagan religions.

11/17/2005 3:10 PM  
Blogger BrianAlt said...

I am all for it! Let's start with Les Knight and his band of reknown. If he does it, we can all do it after him.

Remember jumping into the pool as a child? I'll jump in as long as you jump in first. Or maybe I won't! Hehe.

11/17/2005 3:25 PM  
Blogger ObilonKenobi said...

Unbelievable. Everytime you come up with something I think you can't top. You go and do it again. If this is real I agree, those people should expidite their own demise. Leaves more room for the rest of us. I think it's obvious from my blog that I agree that the universe is meant for observers. Without us, the universe has no purpose. Whe give meaning to the earth. At the same time, like life and death, the earth is more precious because we have the ability to destroy it. We must not become extinct, we must evoilve intellectually and technologically to a point where we can coexist with the earth in as harmless a way as possible.

By the way, don't animals also consume and produce waste? Or was that just crazy consiprosy by my high school biology teacher.

What a bunch of dopes.

Another P.S. Phoenix, how's the little guy?

P.S.S. Do you watch Ghost Hunters on SciFi channel? That show rocks!

11/17/2005 3:27 PM  
Blogger FantasticAlice said...

WOW! Never heard of such a thing. I am going to have to see all the bs on their site now.

Where do you find this stuff?

11/17/2005 3:30 PM  
Blogger PDD said...

I think that VHMT might be right. I am often embarrassed to be a human being.

I'm too lazy to kill myself. And it's apparently the same thing with these radical freaks. Just talk, talk, talk, too lazy to do a damn thing to change their feeble minds that we should go on. Life should go on with humans roaming about like juvenile delinquents, and some behind bars and not so free.

11/17/2005 4:03 PM  
Blogger The Phoenix said...

Yeah Obilon, this group is for real. They had an article on them today in the San Francisco Chronicle.

I'm fortunate that my job involves working with information and scientists. My employer used to be the technology transfer division for NASA. I'm able to track any cool and funny science stories,and many times I get them before they hit the press.

I also have been great ideas from everybody. Be sure to send me a topic or subject you'd like to read about. The link is in my sidebar.

I agree with Andrew...there is a 'cultish' thing about groups like these. Their website has interesting religious perspectives on their cause...from Christian to Pagan. Very interesting read, and funny too.

11/17/2005 4:39 PM  
Blogger Kid Jacque said...

Just when you think you have seen it all, you visit this page and find out you haven't....

They are crazy!

11/17/2005 4:48 PM  
Blogger Sherri said...

There is just something so wrong with this. One day I will hear a news story about Les and his group of followers, undoubtedly found dead somewhere, and I'll say to myself, 'hey, I read about that guy on phoenix's site'.

I find it interesting that 2 of his members went ahead and had a baby anyway. Doesn't that really just blow the whole point of their movement?

11/17/2005 5:08 PM  
Blogger BuffyICS said...

The earth will definitely take care of itself, and short of nuclear war, I don't think we have the ability to destroy it. Besides, even if we completely deplete the ozone layer or radically alter the balance of nature by chopping down all the trees, the earth will still be fine--we'll be the ones who are screwed. I suppose VHMT should actually encourage us to negatively affect the environment then!

11/17/2005 6:04 PM  
Blogger Shamus O'Drunkahan said...

I love the people who love nature or animals so much that they want humans to die.

Now that's love.

11/17/2005 9:20 PM  
Blogger Keshi said...

I agree with Shawna...some ppl r just bron to breed and that's bloody irritating...


but it's a big NO from me for this human-race extinction idea...which dumbo came up with it?

Keshi.

11/17/2005 10:18 PM  
Blogger big left nostril said...

Heard something similar to this a few years ago...they call themselves "The Church of Euthanasia" -- yep, website is still up:

http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/

Creeeeeepy.

11/17/2005 10:40 PM  
Blogger David Amulet said...

The argument that cracks me up the most with wackos like these V-spots is the claim that humans are evil or "damaging" to the environment because we make other animal species extinct through our expansion and activities. Yes, we do--and this is what plants and animals do ALL THE TIME.

It's called nature. Ecosystems change through time, and are not static as these freaks suggest. Many species destroy other ones; we're just the only one species with the capacity to feel guilty about it.

Thankfully, many of us are able to resist that guilt and live our lives just fine. Even if my by-products are somehow rendering some plant somewhere extinct, I can sleep at night very well, thank you.

- david

11/17/2005 10:55 PM  
Blogger puremood said...

I really don't know what to think about (some) people - sometimes. I just try not to think about them and their thoughts/ways.... thou shall not judge. :)

Interesting but way out there, IMO.

11/18/2005 1:10 AM  
Blogger Jenn said...

Wow, your blog is quickly becoming a favorite! (I need to quit being lazy and link those who need to be linked!)

I don't even know what to say. I was gonna say something like they should off themselves to start, but that's just not humane or sane, so I won't.

I do agree that it seems cult-ish. This is the first I hear of it. But, I'm sure it's gonna get bigger fairly soon.

11/18/2005 1:27 AM  
Anonymous the weirdgirl said...

I have actually heard this type of argument before (I live in CA and it was a hippie thing), though not this particular ogranization. It always struck me as funny that the hippie movement could include both the idea of population/environment control (by abstaining from having children) AND the idea of free love/sex. Coupled (pun intended) with pot and drinking... well, you can imagine why two of the members have a kid. I think most of the people that started organizations like these are just old, cranky hippies that are pissed off the 60s movements never worked.

On a different subject, I so WANT one of those "Thank you for not breeding" t-shirts. Too funny!

11/18/2005 1:46 AM  
Blogger HW said...

i'm all for leading by example. the Les guy needs to show us how it's done. can i just say that i'm glad that brand of craziness won't be passed down to future generations?

11/18/2005 6:18 AM  
Blogger kim said...

EXCELLENT link my friend. I particularly love the FAQ. To wit:

Q: Didn't Hitler have the same ideas?

Well, if you mean the medals for motherhood and warehouse nurseries full of babies for war and industry, or if you mean outlawing abortion, or forced sterilization of undesirables, or mass murder, then the answer is simply, "No."

He wasn't really a vegetarian as the propaganda said.

11/18/2005 7:04 AM  
Blogger cube said...

This is laughable. What a bunch of idiots. Good thing for them there's no law against being stupid.

11/18/2005 8:28 AM  
Anonymous Nowhere Girl said...

Those people scare the crap outta me...

11/18/2005 9:07 AM  
Blogger Laurie said...

They need to start with themselves by drinking some koolaid or something.

11/18/2005 9:37 AM  
Blogger Grafs said...

I think humans are great. Obviously we consume more than our fair share, but like you said, the earth will progress naturally as needed.

11/18/2005 3:43 PM  
Blogger :P fuzzbox said...

Wonder if this Les Yahoo looks like an agent from The Matrix. Maybe he can go door to door like the Jehovah's Witness Man. I can't wait for him to knock on my door and say, 'Good Evening Mr. Fuzzbox.' That would be too cool.

11/18/2005 6:00 PM  
Blogger The Phoenix said...

Maybe Les started this movement because he just got frustrated with getting rejected by women.

By the way, his answer for the question "Didn't Hitler have the same ideas" just cracks me up. He's a ranting looney tune himself. Hitler wasn't really a vegetarian....who cares?

11/18/2005 7:09 PM  
Anonymous allan said...

He is right.

The more folks like him that get vasectomies, the better the world becomes.

He is just improving the gene pool.

11/18/2005 9:20 PM  
Blogger whitesgem said...

Lol, and I thought that the Jehovahs Witnesses were bad.....
Well, they ARE bad, but just slightly less nutty than this guy!

11/18/2005 10:16 PM  
Blogger Sorrow X said...

having a joint poem thingy at me blog, do drop by and write someth if yer into poetry

11/20/2005 7:49 AM  
Blogger Lucy Stern said...

Geeesz, What do you expect from people in San Francisco? What we need to do is put them on their own planet.

I think that the earth has it's own way of keeping our planet from getting over populated. Natural diasters and plagues were the way it has been done for years. Fred was talking about the Black Plague that took place back in the 1300's. It killed off one third of the population in Europe and it repeated itself at different times throughout the centries. Abortion, as horrible as it is, keeps the population down. War kills off a number of people. Our modern medicine has cured many of the plagues now. Look at the Tsunami last year, it took out 150,000 people. It's natures own way of saving the earth. I know it sounds harsh, but that is natures way.

I think our earth was meant to be lived on, we just need to take care of our planet so it will be around for a long time to come.

Those crazies in San Francisco are going about it all wrong.

Have a good Thanksgiving.

11/20/2005 8:54 AM  
Blogger Peter said...

Extreme statements sure is effective in generating interest. A post about human extinction generated 29 comments! while a post about The World Needs a New Economic Model (really we do, otherwise it may be involuntary human extinction) generated only a miserable 5 :-(
Maybe to get people's attention, we should start making extreme statements like voluntary human extinction too! Enviroman Says

11/20/2005 11:41 PM  
Anonymous james said...

The total extinction of the human race is a bit extreme but I think we'd do well if we like, chilled out a little population wise.

There are too many people for the Earth to naturally sustain.

11/21/2005 9:09 AM  
Blogger grrrbear said...

Killing off all the humans wouldn't do anything anyway. Don't these people realize that eventually some other life form would evolve sentience and take our place? It already happened to the dinosaurs, and all their factories, smelters, and power plants were destroyed (no fossilized buildings though -they were all made of wood). Then, all their industrial wastes festered deep underground until they became oil and coal, which we evolved to use as fuel!

Ergo - when we die off, the cockroach society that will follow us will have cars that run on nuclear waste and Twinkies wrappers.

See? No worries people!

11/21/2005 4:49 PM  
Blogger The Phoenix said...

You people crack me up.

11/21/2005 6:22 PM  
Blogger Jillian said...

Yeah wow that is kind of messed up really. People who don't want humans to breed?

Have they thought for a SECOND how they, THEMSELVES came into this world?!

People I tell you.

11/21/2005 7:15 PM  
Blogger PDD said...

I have a butter knife to my wrists... I swear to god I'll do it...

11/22/2005 1:42 PM  
Blogger Les said...

It was fun to find The Phoenix blog, "Thank you for not breeding" -- very nicely laid out -- and all the comments. I'll try to answer the questions y'all asked and clear up some misconceptions.

I'm not from San Francisco. VHEMT is global so it's not really based anywhere.

I wrote: "Without us meddlesome humans, all other species would get their fair chance at survival."
>I don't know about that, Les. I think cockroaches LOVE all the stuff we leave for them...as do mice, rats, and other species that eat our scraps.<

Quite right. Several species do very well in our habitats. Most don't, which is why there are so few other life forms wherever we live.

>1)What the hell is the "T" for in VHEMT? Come 'on Les...tell me. It's really bothering me. Does it mean "team?" Maybe "terror" or "troopers."<

Because we're vehement about preserving what's left of Earth's biosphere, it makes sense for our acronym to say VHEMT.

>2)What good is a perfect Gaia without any humans? It just sounds pretty idiotic to me. You want us to be ecocentric? Forgo the human race to save Earth? Isn't that like falling in love with your car?<

It would be the same good it was before we furless beach apes came along.

A human-centered world view only values other species by what they can do for us, or for "our children's children." We're collectively so centered on our own species that nothing matters except in relation to ourselves.

An ecocentric world view sees Homo sapiens as one of tens of millions of species in Earth's biosphere. We are exceptional in many ways, and so are the other life forms we share this rare and wonderful place with.

By envisioning Earth's entire biosphere, acknowledging the intrinsic value of every life form, our voluntary extinction begins to make sense.

Cars are dead.

3)The biological urge to have children is our innermost base desire, removed from our conscious mind at times.<

Apparently so: half the conceptions in the US are unintended.

> Even two VHEM(T) members shed their movement's beliefs for their own needs. Mike and Mary Brune (Mike is the director the Rainforest Action Network and Mary is founder of Making Our Milk Safe) went against their own movement's manifesto and had a child after 7 years of marriage. Mike+Mary = Olivia, 15 months old now. How you like that Les?<

Mike and Mary have never said they were part of VHEMT. The fact that they can rationalize breeding despite all they know reveals the strong cultural conditioning couples are up against.

>4)They're against our species' survival! That goes against every fiber in every human being's body. Survival is perhaps our strongest ingrained instinct. If I had a gun and started shooting it at Les, he's going to duck...he's going to run and try to take cover. Why? Because he doesn't want to die. It's a survival instinct that takes over. We can't just turn off that instinct to survive as an individual, as a family, as a community, and as a race of beings. <

I don't think people breed from a desire to ensure the survival of our species. Breeding isn't required for self-preservation. We're actually more likely to survive as individuals without breeding.

5) Rah!

>6)Mother Earth can take care of herself, thank you very much. Ever heard of a tsunami? How about an earthquake? Read about the bird flu lately? Gaia has her own population control, as Mother Nature has her own ways to balance things out. She doesn't really need your help in this manner. I think she can handle this on her own.<

Death seems to me a crude way of dealing with our excessive breeding. More than 150 thousand people die each day but 350 thousand are born. Decreasing births is nicer than increasing deaths, don't you agree?

7)The Earth is better of without humans? Um, no. The Earth would be better off without any more semi-celebrity reality shows, that's for sure.

And there you go -- those would be gone too.

>Andrew said...
Ah yes, the earth goddess worshippers want eveybody else to die (but they're seemingly not prepared to euthenaise themselves for the cause).<

"May we live long and die out." That's you, me, and everyone. We don't want anyone to die before their time, unless they choose to.

>BrianAlt said...
I am all for it! Let's start with Les Knight and his band of reknown. If he does it, we can all do it after him.<

I've done it -- now it's your turn. A little snip snip and you'll never be responsible for an unwanted pregnancy or subsequent abortion.

>David Amulet said...
The argument that cracks me up the most with wackos like these V-spots is the claim that humans are evil or "damaging" to the environment because we make other animal species extinct through our expansion and activities. Yes, we do--and this is what plants and animals do ALL THE TIME.<

Imagine a mass murderer justifying his crimes by saying "Nature kills people all the time, and a lot more than I killed, too."

>weirdgirl said...
On a different subject, I so WANT one of those "Thank you for not breeding" t-shirts. Too funny!<

C'mon over to the VHEMT site. ;-)

>BitterMom said...
can i just say that i'm glad that brand of craziness won't be passed down to future generations?<

Heh, heh. You forgot we have the internet to get to your children with.

>Nowhere Girl said...
Those people scare the crap outta me...<

Just a misunderstanding I'm sure. We're not saying that natural disasters, plagues, wars, and abortions are good ways to improve our population density.

>The Phoenix said...
Maybe Les started this movement because he just got frustrated with getting rejected by women.<

Drat! You guessed it. But now that I'm sterile and advocating non-breeding, women are all over me. You're welcome to steal my technique. It's guaranteed to work.

2/09/2006 2:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amazing how many opinions you can form without even checking the original website first. The moron leading the moron..

Thank you for not breeding, you commentators alone have already surplussed the earth doofus limit.

9/17/2007 12:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes perhaps we will eventually die out by means of nature shifting us but as before populations just increase, but just think when the oil and the food suddenly surges up in price you will all be the first to complain bitterly especially when mcdonalds start making you trade in your kids for a burger, really what do you get from creating kids? a sence of accomplishment that you've made something out of humping for 2 minutes and you can parade it around to your friends like some sort of thing. when the world turns to shit you put it down to the government not your own doing, unless everyone in this world has dropped a few iq points i think you can see vhmt has a good point. yes breeding is a natural thing but all other species have population controls ever heard of a food web? no i didnt think you had.
im all for not having kids makes me a richer happier person and it means i dont have to share a house.

5/15/2008 2:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IMO, don't even give people like this the time of day. it's ludicrous, so why even give them any attention?

7/22/2008 3:01 AM  
Blogger Red Universe said...

Practically, logically, and purely mathematically...they are RIGHT. Damn it, all of you need to stop living in a fairy tale and acknowledge the overpopulation crisis. They are not saying that all generations of humans must halt procreation...just this one and PERHAPS the next. It's called a SACRIFICE. A sacrifice for something greater than ourselves. Oh,that's right, you don't believe anything is greater than yourself. Wake up and start BEING REALISTIC. It is the only way to provide for all human beings on earth. Stop procreating, stop capitalism....AND GO COMMUNISM. This has nothing to do with freedom. You still have your bill of rights and and that other bullshit that this country DOES NOT ENFORCE anyway...it's purely about economics. SHARE, SHARE, SHARE, SHARE, SHARE, SHARE......SHARE. Remember what they taught you in kindergarten...perhaps all of you need to return. FUCK CAPITALISM, and FUCK PROCREATION. The truth hurts...DEAL WITH IT.
www.spiritof1776.info

1/05/2009 8:51 PM  
Blogger Josef Roesler said...

The brilliant guy who made this blog couldn't figure out the T is from movement, MT.

Nobody ever said anything about anyone killing themselves, yet half the morons posting here are outraged that the vehmt people don't do it first.

These are the people who need to stop breeding.

2/12/2011 3:58 PM  

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